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Re: [SLUG] upgrading complicated installs

jam <jam@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> On Sunday 01 June 2008 21:35:38 slug-request@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> >> Without that commitment you well, eventually, get to join the legions of
>> >> poorly maintained, compromised Linux boxes out there.  This hurts
>> >> everyone, but especially you -- potentially legally, certainly in terms
>> >> of a lot of work when your ISP (or the police) call up about all that
>> >> SPAM you have been sending out or those warez you are distributing...
>> >
>> > Are you implying that a zombied box can be a legal liability for
>> > the hapless owner?
>> Yep.  As one example, consider the case of Julie Amero, who was
>> convicted for exposing school age children to pornography because of a
>> compromised PC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17134607/
>> Also, consider the handful of cases where people have been arrested for
>> having child pornography on their computers and have offered a defence
>> of their system being compromised.
>> Couple that with the fairly well established (I think) fact that botnet
>> infections are used for a range of illegal activity including hosting
>> child pornography.
> Clarke 1 notwithstanding
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws
> and as an elderly (damn not distinguished) I proclaim your concern/rant 
> unadulterated balderdash
>    The one about: if you build your own packages and don't pay
>    attention then your linux box will contract plague etc.

Fair enough.  You are not obliged to believe me, and I certainly
encourage y'all to take account of your own experience in evaluating my

> Frankly, no one I know, has ever had, or knows someone who has ever had a 
> compromised linux box. Frankly I doubt if all of SLUG ever has ...
>    Here compromised means: someone has taken control of the machine and is 
>    using it for some nepharious purpose eg spam DoS etc

I don't believe there is any way I can convince you of anything other
than this statement of faith, so don't intend to try.