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[SLUG] up2date and Fedora versus Red Hat EL3

On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 11:10, Richard Neal wrote:
> up2date isn't dead if your using White Box Linux. 

up2date works fine on Fedora - it can now work with yum, apt, and
directory repositories rather than just RHN. Here I use it to install
all my apps.

> White Box is based on
> RHEL3 and supports up2date and is free. Fedora is great in its own way
> but why go from stable 7.3 to unstable Fedora Project when you don't
> have to. I can see people jumping up and down as I type this, saying
> "ooh but Fedora is stable", yeah right show me the certification that it
> is. 

Stability and hardware/software/skills certification are very different
things. You might want to use Enterprise Linux for official support, its
long (5 year) lifecycle, or hardware/software/skills certifications
available for EL.  But not because Fedora is unstable.

To confuse things, a lot of people use the term 'stability' to mean
binary compatibility rather than how well the software works. In this
sense, ELs more conservative release cycle is indeed more stable than

> Red Hat 7.3 is certified as "STABLE" and enterprise ready (isn't Red
> Hat Enterpise based on 7.3 too for that reason).

Enterprise Linux 2.1 is based on 7.3ish. EL3 is based somewhere between
Red Hat 9 and FC1.

> http://whiteboxlinux.org/
> I don't hate Red Hat but I don't like the aspect of new users having no
> option but to fork out $$$ for a stable desktop if they wan't to run a
> Free version of Red Hat at home.

Its pretty simple: if you don't want official support, you won't have to
pay for anything - use Fedora or Whitebox. If you want to pay for
official support, you'll get EL.

> Right now I point new users to Debian (Stable) or Mandrake 10 Official
> or Knoppix if their not sure.

I find Debian proper would be unsuitable for a new user as it lacks a
great deal of polish - boot messages are difficult to read, the default
installer is unnecessarily complex, the menus are badly arranged and
many items are missing.

Fedora, Mandrake, or one of the desktop Debian variants would all be
good choices.