- To: grove@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [SLUG] ot: Mac OSX and virii in the open
- From: Ben de Luca <c9415120@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 21:11:02 +1000
- Cc: slug@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Cc: Jasper Streit <astreit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
That have access to pre-rolled virus and worm scripts. Add a poor
security model and you have an exploit. On UNIX, the same kids
usually have to work by first principles and they have neither
the will, the patience or the experience. Those that do
are already sysadmins and probably making money doing something useful.
Doesn't exploit code get published for UNIX too? I think the people
that scaire me most are those with the will, the patience and the
It is not impossible, but hard. And it doesn't provide the
same instant gratification kick that windows does.
There's millions of downloads of Linux and Solaris source.
Where are the thousands of exploits? Even with the source code,
there is not the will
What's missing is not the will but the uniformity that you get from
windows, tens of millions of machines that all have the same binary
compatible exploits. How can you release a worm that runs on thousands
or even tens of thousands of machines, when you have windows out there.
What sort of masochist would bother.
Everyone mentions the morris worm. It's a poor example from
an era where most UNIX boxes didn't even have a root passwd.
Security didn't matter then. It does now, unless you run Windows.
Yes, and how many Sendmail servers are running now, today, that
have been cracked and exploited (spammers not included?!).
Right now? Today?
Sorry - I am going to go away again now. I have had this argument
far too often. I will believe what I know by my own experience
and my experience is that the windows security model invites
abuse and it's just too easy. On UNIX it is not impossible
but takes more effort than the would be cracker will bear, unless they
are determined and have a specific motive in mind, on a single
Nice of you to drop you opinion in and run away, i have never said that
windows is secure (i am not arguing with that). I have only said that
UNIX is not, and as the number of similar UNIX platforms increase so
will the number of worms/viruses.
What makes UNIX so good?
Rachel Polanskis Systems Admin, University of Western Sydney
V1-37, Kingswood Campus (+61 2) 47 360 291 <r.polanskis@xxxxxxxxxx>
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary
deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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