RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately

["Tim White" <tim.white@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

What most apt advocates usually don't mention is that up2date is similar to apt, in that you can easily type something like 'up2date ssh' and it will go and do it. Unfortunately there are not any other sources that you can use up2date from except the Red Hat Network. 

So even though I find up2date/RPM a fine solution and much much better than how rpm ran several releases ago, I think that apt is a better system just because you can say something like, look on my CD, then look here, then here, then here etc to get the packages from a local/fast/cheaper repository.

As far as I can tell with RHN you have to use RedHat or pay for an internal rhn server.

Does anyone know of any other RHN type servers for free?

Tim White

-----Original Message-----
From: Brett Fenton [mailto:brett.fenton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:06 PM
To: Stewart; slug@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately


They are way more elegant.

dpkg is what it's all built off. If you get the .deb file you can use
dpkg -i <package.deb> just like you would on an rpm based system.

apt is the obtaining of the packages from either a local source say
your installation cd's or a remote source like ftp.

apt is cutting out a step. in the simplest case with an rpm you might
visit rpmfind.net for example, locate your package, download and then
install. with apt it will find the package for you and then use dpkg
to install it, so you don't need to bother with the searching and
download part. Where apt really shines is when it's less simple and
there are a number of dependencies for the package you want. In an RPM
based system you may find them each individually, download, and
install. With apt it figures it all out for you, grabs the packages it
needs and installs them all to meet the dependencies.

Dselect is just a graphical apt. It loads the list of packages
available in the source you define, you select the ones you want and
it then uses apt to get them and dpkg to install them, solving any
dependicies along the way.

The above is a very simplstic view they are loads of other neat things
like apt-cache, graphical package managers (storm) etc etc.

Brett

:> -----Original Message-----
:> From: slug-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx
:> [mailto:slug-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
:> Stewart
:> Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2003 1:45 PM
:> To: slug@xxxxxxxxxxx
:> Subject: Re: [SLUG] apt-get weirdness lately
:>
:>
:>
:> On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 09:23 AM,
:> <James_Gray@xxxxxxx> wrote:
:>
:> > Having said that, Mandrake's "urpmi" is a big leap in the right
:> > direction, but still lacks the simple elegance of
:> apt-get/dpkg/dselect
:> > in both operation and configuration.
:>
:> now i'm turning into a debhead, can someone 'please
:> explain' exactly
:> what the difference between apt-get/dpkg/dselect is and
:> how they work
:> together? to my mind three commands aint as 'simple
:> elegance' as one
:> rpm one. :-)
:>
:> but other than that i'm pretty impressed with how my woody is
:> installing.
:>
:> ..S.
:>
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