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Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot
- To: raster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux news on slashdot
- From: Dean Hamstead <zort@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu Nov 30 14:59:57 2000
- Cc: craigem@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, slug@xxxxxxxxxxx
- Organization: BONG
- Reply-to: dean@xxxxxxxxxxx
Mus bash raster =)
> i've had to read many.. like man pages for dhcpd which chanegdc config
> file formats.. and if i wasnt so familiar with X and nvidia i'd have
> spent a god extra few days getting X up.. but i've done it before so
> many times i can roll my own xf86config off the top of my head for xf4.
xf86cfg is a gem.
> -> Uninstall doesn't work properly nine times out of 10. apt-get remove
> -> gnomehack works everytime.
> uninstall in windows has never failed for me. i've used it many times.
its not failing, its the waste it leaves behind. Hence the need to
alot if your intalling and uninstalling alot.
> -> I think your perspective is where we differ. You use Linux on the
> -> bleeding edge, so close you're falling off (points for recognising the quote).
> yes i do.. but i do in windows too.. i use my nvidia card there.. its
> trivial to make it work under windows.. stick driver Cd in.. done. it
> was such a painless exercise :)
Then theres the fun of driver revisions and the piss weak error message
You also have fun with highly specific drivers.
> -> between a heavily hacked Linux system and Windows, unless you're also working
> -> with the windows source code and trying to do similar things with that
> -> system as you are to Linux.
> BUT under windows my hardware i bought just works.. becuase drivers come
> with it... linxu fails miserably in supporting a fair bit of hardware...
> and huntign the drivers is somehting quite painful.
Linux is good in the hardware dept. Support for it from good vendors is
unix as a whole. In the past you would have to buy hardware for your
unix, i dont
perceive this as a problem to system administrators or to people who go
out and buy
hardware specifically to run linux. The problem is when people buy
hardware at bargain
prices, no-name hardware or particularly non-standard packages, running
then want to "try" linux.
> -> I'm just a lowly admin/user. I do *NOT* want to hack code, I want things
> -> to just work and work properly. This is what lead me from Windows to
> -> Linux and eventually, Debian. My servers and desktops are just smooth and my
> -> grandma can use them providing I have installed her system correctly.
> aaaaaaaaaah "providing" - could she do it herself tho? :)
Do you want her to do it herself? If you educate your users too much,
you run the
risk of them suddenly wanting higher wages =)
> -> I'm not going to say that Linux is good for the brain dead user, it's
> -> not, never will be, even when the interface improves. Windows/MacOS are for
> -> passengers, Linux is for people who like to be in control of their
> -> vehicle(s).
> we have to realise its far from perfect - far far far. it's come a logn
> way.. but has a lot further to go.
Clearly raster wants it to be and im cool with that. But remember that
interface has been around for 5 - 6 years now, and was based on windows
has become a standard that people expect from computers. Its boring,
grey with green
desktop is a constant that is reasurring to alot of people.
Dean "must have my say over and over again" Hamstead
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