Re: [chat] Lies?

[David <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Shaun Oliver wrote:

> I heard tell that mlh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx delivered up the following on Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 05:55:11PM +1000,
> *SNIP*
> > > Paul Keating was a visionary who clearly saw australia's place
> in the
> > > world.
> >
> > Didn't he famously refer to Aus as the arse-end of the world?
> >
> Yes he did.
> and anyone who claims keeting was a visionary and ignores such comments is
> fooling themselves.


I thought this was an intelligent discussion.. is it necessary to do
<irony></irony>?

In case you missed it, my comments about Howard/Keating were intended to
illustrate that folks see precisely what they want to see from the
"facts".  Perhaps the ensuing discussion re-inforces my contention.

Let me try again:

Extremist muslims believe they go to paradise after their suicide, jihad,
whatever..  and theirs is a very pure and genuine form of worship to their
god. Our side just thinks the jihadists are a bunch of lunies.

Perspective, perspective.. all is perspective saith the preacher. It just
depends on who is preaching and what your preconceptions are.

I don't think M.Moore is going to change anybodies mind (personal
opinion), but he might very well mobilise the vote in the USA. He could be
a king maker simply by making people REALISE what they believe.