Re: [chat] Lies?

[Michael Lake <Mike.Lake@xxxxxxxxxx>]

David wrote:
> Beheading is good terrorism. Tell the world that you are going to do it,
> then wait for everyone to get stewed up about it, then go ahead and do it.
> Boy, does that get everyone's attention! Meantime, there are thousands of
> innocents who have been killed in the name of god/truth/justice/whatever
> but that was just collatoral damage... gee, i'm sorry.
>
> I watch the Israelis (supported to the hilt by the west) carp about the
> Palestinian weapons - AK47's, grenade launchers, rocks! - being smuggled
> into Palestine but for some reason don't notice the irony that the
> Israelis are using Apache gunships and tanks. Hang on? Did I miss
> something? Who is the terrorist? After all, Israel is occupying Palestine,
> not the other way around.

Indeed, given that Palestine has no air force, navy and little army and 
are an occupied country there is little that can do. The UN has not 
stepped in and spanked Israel for being such a naughty little spoilt 
brat (and besides, they are the chosen children) so terrorism is the 
only option - and it works quite well.
What did the Frech do during German occupation, the South Africans 
during the Boar War oh and the Americans against the British in the 
Amer.Civil War. Terrorism of course.

> Germany and Japan were tamed by economic support (marshall plan) post WW2,
> not by occupation and suppression. Germany was punished post WW1 and
> then along came Hitler, basically as a result of profound recession and
> inflation caused by the punitive WW1 reparations. My point is that you get
> a lot further by rewarding than you do by punishing, and NO society wants
> to be suppressed or conquered by another.

Just as the seeds of the 2nd World War were sown at the Treaty of 
Versailles and Germany responded decades later so the Japanese were 
apparently treated very badly economically by the West during the 20's 
and 30's. I came across this yesterday: 
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=5826

"The events of December 7, 1941 were roughly two decades in the making. 
In 1922, the US and Britain imposed upon Japan an agreement that the 
Japanese navy would not be allowed more than 60 percent of the capital 
ship tonnage of the other two powers. That same year, the US Supreme 
Court declared Japanese immigrants ineligible for American citizenship, 
and a year later the Supreme Court upheld a California and Washington 
ruling denying Japanese the right to own property. The year 1924 saw the 
passage of the Exclusion Act-which virtually banned all Asian immigration.

On the economic front, when Japan textiles began out-producing 
Lancashire mills, the British Empire (including India, Australia, Burma, 
etc.) raised the tariff on Japanese exports by 25 percent. Within a few 
years, the Dutch followed suit in Indonesia and the West Indies, with 
the U.S. (in Cuba and the Philippines) not far behind. Such moves, 
combined with Japan's expanding colonial designs, brought the US and 
Japan closer and closer to conflict."

Thus I suppose that politicians are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the 
forbears. Perhaps a Hal 9000 would be better off looking after us ??? :-)

Mike
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