Re: [chat] Sydney Wireless Network

["Marcel Kunath" <kunathma@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ozzie prices are to cry over. The same card I mentioned in the previous mail
is available at Dick Smiths for 498 ozzie dollars. More than twice as much.

http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/DSE.storefront/1521385178/Product/View/XH7925

http://store.yahoo.com/shopnetlux/dlindwwirlan.html

ridiculous

mk

> > >
>
> > > Yeah the stuff on Mudgee sounds ok but I'd prefer to go the whole route to

> > > 802.11b with 11Mbps instead of the 2Mbps. I don't think the Mudgee approac
h
> is
> > > any cheaper.
> >
> > Well, I'm yet to be convinced either way but my initial reading of the site
> > said that it'd be about $85 for a 2mb card and about $400 for a 11mbps card.

> > Being the poor university student that I am (bring out the violins), I'd
> > prefer to be spending the $85 if it's still an experimental set up.
> >
> > The other thing is that I suspect a 2mb setup would be more stable around
> > the city. Do we have any sources for people who have set this up for 11mbps?

>
> I don't think bandwidth is directly related to stability. Yes the page said 85

> dollars but that was for an PCIMCA card. I don't have a laoptop which means
> you needs the PCI-PCIMCA slot converted which costs another 200 or something
> in that range making both almost equally expensive. Well I know how overpriced

> stuff is in Oz. It's usually 100% more than US prices. I just moved here from
> the US and still have connections there. I am entirely broke and without job
> but I would probably order there and have a friend ship to me.
>
> I would probably go for something like this:
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/shopnetlux/dlindwwirlan.html
>
> PCIMCA card plus PCI adapter. It comes at around 210 Oz dollars plus shipping
> from overseas. Last time I shipped 8 lbs package from Michigan to Sydney for 4
0
> US dollars with harddrives in it (insured USPS, 7 days).
>
> mk
>
> > >
> > > > mk > > > > > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Marcel Kunath wrote: > > > > > Hello,

> > > > >
> > > > > well I am sure people are aware of the recent Telstra changes. I can l
iv
>
> e wi
> > > th
> > > > > 3 Gig but having to watch myself (and the other 5 people on this one c
ab
>
> le
> > > > > modem) is not easy. At times I want to sporadically download a gig may
 i
>
> t be
> > >
> > > > > KDE's new release or a distro or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been reading about these localized wireless networks in metro a
re
>
> as f
> > > or
> > > > > the past year and I find the idea very interesting. The most organized

> > > > > information and network seems to be seattlewireless:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://seattlewireless.net/
> > > >
> > > > Interesting stuff. I attempted to get broadband happening at my house in

> > > > newtown at the start of the year and eventually gave up because it was s
o
> > > > difficult.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is mentioning of two networks in the Sydney area:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://hwy.com.au/~bigmoe/wlan/
> > > >
> > > > this one looks interesting. Their mentioning of 40 km distances is prett
y
> > > > impressive. Of course in Sydney I doubt it would be anywhere near that
> > > > distance because of random obstacles in the way, however the density of
> > > > population in sydney probably means there doesn't need to be that distan
ce
>
>
> > > > between nodes anyway.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.nepean.air.net.au (dead link)
> > > > >
> > > > > and a few more in Oz and around the world:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.wirelessanarchy.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not know where the Sydney based networks are in terms of developm
en
>
> t. I
> > >  am
> > > > > pretty much uneducated when it comes to wireless overall. I still have
 a
>
>  kee
> > > n
> > > > > interest to get access to data outside from the ISP network to be able
 t
>
> o
> > > > > attain data and/or provide data and not pay my ISP for it. The Seattle
 n
>
> etwo
> > > rk
> > > > > seems to have it figured out and be sound in their structure without r
is
>
> k of
> > >
> > > > > falling asleep/apart due to lack of human support.
> > > > >
> > > > > So basically I want to ask what people know about wireless in Sydney a
nd
>
>  if
> > > > > people are as frustrated as me and want a separated network from their
 I
>
> SP t
> > > o
> > > > >
> > > > > - download data
> > > > > - upload data
> > > > > - play games
> > > > > - share data (programs, source code, rpms, ftp servers with distros on
 t
>
> hem)
> > >
> > > > > - connect their home network with their business network
> > > > > - build a free network independent of Telstra (w/ with fully functiona
l
> DNS
> > > and
> > > > > DHCP ?)
> > > > >
> > > > > I am aware that there are security issues and you can't protect a wire
le
>
> ss
> > > > > network from being accessed and it would be open to any person who wan
ts
>
>  to
> > > > > access it. I still think its limited internal uses are great and would
 p
>
> rovi
> > > de
> > > > > a good service for the Sydney area.
> > > >
> > > > ah, but you can make it safe. This is what ipSec is for. Indeed using
> > > > freeswan I believe you're able to compress the data also, which would be
 a
>
>
> > > > big pro in a situation like this.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are costs involved but I think it would pay off just as much as
le
>
> arni
> > > ng
> > > > > Linux paid off for me. Fact is though a network needs multiple nodes t
o
> > > > > function and make sense. Hence I am writing this if there are people w
ho
>
>  are
> > >
> > > > > curious and want to invest time, effort and a little money to have som
et
>
> hing
> > >  in
> > > > > addition to their ISP connection.
> > > >
> > > > I'm certainly interested. If what they're saying over at the mudgee wire
le
>
> ss
> > > > network is true then it seems much more worthwhile then phone companies
> > > > would want you to believe.
> > > >
> > > > I guess it comes down to identifying a few people who are relatively nea
rb
>
> y
> > > > (within a km or two) who are interested in playing with this sort of stu
ff
>
>
> > > > to get started. If it can be arranaged then I'm interested in giving thi
s
> a
> > > > go. So who here lives somewhere near newtown and wants to play with this
?
> > > >
> > > > I think this should probably go to the main list, btw.
> > > >
> > > > routing on such a network is an interesting question... Do these wireles
s
> > > > lan cards actually use ethernet or do they use ppp or something? if they

> > > > used ppp then it might be better to use something like multi-drop ppp so

> > > > that there's a couple of ways for data to move around... or something.
> > > >
> > > > hmmmm... *goes off to ponder routing and have breakfast*
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > nope, thank you. :)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcel
> > > >
> > > > James.
> > > >
> > > > >
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