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[chat] This is quite interesting


I hate people forwarding around email annecdotes but I found this one
interesting and thought SLUG might find it similarly interesting. Flames
welcome.

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Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:14:27 -0700

Dear Friends,

Yesterday I heard a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back  to the
Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio allowed that this would mean  
killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this 
atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage," and 
he asked, "What else  can we do? What is your suggestion?"  Minutes 
later I heard a TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do 
what must be done."

And I thought about these issues especially hard because I am from
Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost
track of what's been going on over there. So I want to share a few
thoughts with anyone who will listen.

I speak as one who hates the  Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
doubt in my mind that these people  were responsible for the atrocity 
in New York. I fervently wish to see those  monsters punished.

But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not  Afghanistan.  They're not even the
government of Afghanistan.  The  Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics
who captured Afghanistan in 1997 and  have been holding the country in 
bondage ever since. Bin Laden is a political  criminal with a master 
plan.  When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When  you think Bin Laden, 
think Hitler. And when you think "the people of  Afghanistan" think "the 
Jews in the concentration camps."   It's not  only that the Afghan people 
had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were  the first victims of the 
perpetrators. They would love for someone to  eliminate the Taliban and 
clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed  up in their country. 
I guarantee it.

Some say, if that's the  case, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow
the Taliban themselves? The  answer is, they're starved, exhausted, damaged,
and incapacitated.  A few  years ago, the United Nations estimated that there
are 500,000 disabled  orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no
food.  Millions of  Afghans are widows of the approximately two million men
killed during the war  with the Soviets.  And the Taliban has been executing
these women for  being women and have buried some of their opponents alive in
mass graves.  The soil of Afghanistan is littered with land mines and almost
all the farms have been destroyed . The Afghan people have tried to
overthrow the Taliban. They haven't been able to.

We come now to the  question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.
Trouble with that  scheme is, it's already been done. The Soviets took
care of it .  Make  the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their
houses? Done. Turn  their schools into piles of rubble? Done.  Eradicate their
hospitals?  Done.  Destroy their infrastructure?  There is no
infrastructure.  Cut them off from medicine and health care?  Too  late.
Someone already did all that.

New bombs would only land  in the rubble of earlier bombs.  Would they at
least get the Taliban? Not  likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the
Taliban eat, only they have the means  to move around.  They'd slip away 
and hide.  (They hae already, I  hear.)  Maybe the bombs would get some of 
those disabled orphans, they  don't move too fast, they don't even have 
wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul  and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a 
strike against the criminals who did  this horrific thing. Actually it would 
be making common cause with the  Taliban--by raping once again the people 
they've been raping all this time

So what else can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear  and
trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground
troops. I think that when people speak of "having the belly to do what
needs to be done" many of them are thinking in terms of having the 
belly to kill as many as needed.  They are thinking about overcoming 
moral qualms about killing innocent people. But it's the belly to die 
not kill that's actually on  the table.  Americans will die in a land 
war to get Bin Laden.  And not just because some Americans would die 
fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout.  It's 
much bigger than that, folks.  To get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd 
have to go through Pakistan. Would they  let us? Not likely. The 
conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will  other Muslim
nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. The invasion  approach 
is a flirtation with global war between Islam and the West.

And that is Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants  and why he
did this thing.  Read his speeches and statements. It's all  right there.  
AT the moment, of course, "Islam" as such does not exist.  There are 
Muslims and there are Muslim countries, but no such political entity  
as Islam.  Bin Laden believes that if he can get a war started, he can  
constitute this entity and he'd be running it.  He really believes Islam  
would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can  
polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers.   
If the West wreaks a holocaust in Muslim lands, that's a billion people 
with  nothing left to lose, even better from Bin Laden's point of view.  
He's  probably wrong about winning, in the end the west would probably  
overcome--whatever that would mean in such a war; but the war would last 
for  years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the 
belly for  that? Bin Laden yes, but anyone else?

I don't have a solution.  But I do believe that suffering and poverty are
the soil in which terrorism  grows. Bin Laden and his cohorts want to 
bait us into creating more such soil,  so they and their kind can 
flourish. We can't let him do that. That's my  humble opinion.

Tamim Ansary

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Cheers,
      Craige.

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